"Atlantis in Gibraltar, between Iberia and Africa"
<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" height=42 BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000"> <div> <A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Home"><U><IMG SRC="6ca0e230.gif" border=0 width="270" height="35" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></U></A><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#990000" FACE="Arial" ><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Home"><U><B>The Web Site of the Civilizations Origins Scientific Society</B></U></A></FONT></div> </td> </tr><tr> <td valign="top" height=438 BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000" bgproperties="fixed" background="01000582egerdp.jpg"> <div> <B><U><IMG SRC="6953a040.gif" border=0 width="570" height="4" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></U></B></div> <div> <!-- Start Gem Build Your Own Web Gem --> <!-- INICIO codigo medidor usuarios online miarroba.com --> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" src="http://online.miarroba.com/ver.php?id=9890"></SCRIPT> <!-- FIN codigo medidor usuarios online miarroba.com --> <!-- End Gem Build Your Own Web Gem --> </div> <div> <TABLE BORDER="1" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="570" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#EEEEEE" BORDERCOLORDARK="#DDDDDD" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 2370 WIDTH="562"><div> <B><U>"Atlantis in Gibraltar, between Iberia and Africa" </U></B></div> <div> <I><B>Comparisons between the theory of the Hispano-american investigator Georgeos Diaz-Montexano and French geologist Jacques Collina-Girard. Simple Coincidences or Plagiarism</B></I><I><B>?</B></I></div> <div> <I><B>By María Fdez-Valmayor</B></I></div> <bR> <div> The French geologist <I><B>Jacques Collina-Girard</B></I> claims no one before him (Sept, 2001, publication date of his article) had realized Atlantis Island could be located in one of the sunken islands or shoals at the Strait of Gibraltar, which was exactly where hispano-american investigator <I><B>Georgeos Díaz-Montexano</B></I> has been upholding for the last years: he could prove the first publication of his theory was in April, 2000 (see: <A HREF="news31.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="NEWS"><U>Proof</U></A><A HREF="news31.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="NEWS"><U>s 1</U></A> and <A HREF="teorias2.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="TEORIAS"><U>Proofs 2</U></A>)</div> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="1" CELLSPACING="20" WIDTH="510" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#CC6600" BORDERCOLORDARK="#262626" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP BGCOLOR=#111111 HEIGHT= 189 ><NOBR><div> <IMG SRC="6c8c4960.jpg" border=0 width="196" height="150" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <div> <I><B>Georgeos Díaz-Montexano</B></I></div> <div> Theory in April, 2000</div> </NOBR></tD> <tD VALIGN=TOP BGCOLOR=#111111><NOBR><div> <IMG SRC="6bd78960.jpg" border=0 width="120" height="150" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <div> <I><B>Jacques Collina-Girard</B></I></div> <div> Theory in September, 2001</div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <div> <I><B>Collina-Girand</B></I> has successfully confused the National Geographic Society, as well as everyone else, with his "influence", "degrees", and "academic references". He has "more credibility" than <I><B>Georgeos Díaz</B></I>, as he is part of the "oficial" and "academic world". However, he is neither entitled to nor has the right to take advantage of someone's effort and intellectual property, even from an "amateur".</div> <bR> <div> Anyway, this point is, in fact, easy to solve (both in front of public opinion and court, if there was no other way but turn to Law): In order to prove <I><B>Collina-Girard</B></I> has formulated a theory almost identical if not really similar to <I><B>Georgeos Diaz-Montexano's</B></I> one, at least in the most fundamental points and the theoretical statement, he just needs to settle two obstacle, from my on point of view, easy to overcome.</div> <bR> <div> 1. He has to prove that those who read the basic statements of <I><B>Collina-Girard's</B></I> theory, which was same as <I><B>Georgeos Diaz's</B></I>, would find both theories similiar or almost identical to each other, close enough for them to be easy confused, regardless of who was the first person to write it. So, first of all, it would be necessary to lay down how close the two basic statements are: the major defence of <I><B>Collina-Girard's</B></I> is still that both theories are "totally different". Of course, what else would he say!</div> <bR> <div> If there is a high similitude between both basic statements of this two theories, then, we have a problem, as both autors cannot claim in their writtings, and in front of mass media, they are the original creators of it. It can only be one, and this point could be solve if one of them says so, in public, that is, his theory is later, just a "simple" and "curious casuality". If the secondary or later author keeps saying everywhere in mass media that he was the first to announce that theory, then, of course, he would be damaging the original and previous author, who won't be able to get neither financing nor any support to develop his theory, as everybody would argue there's a previous investigator claiming to have been developing the same statement before.</div> <bR> <div> 2. So after laying down how close to eah other the basic statements are, it would be necessary to show who was the first publishing it. There're magazines and news to demostrate this point.</div> <bR> <div> To make it easy, I've arranged a short article and clear comparative table, with the basic statements of both theories, showing the most relevant points people can see when reading them. Accurately, these comparisions should be done with investigators' first publicacions, instead of their later developing of themselves. And so it is. We have compared the main statements of both theories in <I><B>Georgeos'</B></I> first publication (the mass media magazine "Más Allá de la Ciencia" -Beyong Science-, April, 2000), and <I><B>Jacques Collina-Girard's</B></I>, in Science Academy, September, 2001. The French geologist submitted a report, with date March 15th, 2001, to French Science Academy. <I><B>Collina-Girard</B></I> states this theory came up to his mind just by chance in January, 2001, but the report was not accepted until June, 2001, and published in September, 2001. So, before September, 2001, no one could neither know nor even think <I><B>Collina-Girard's</B></I> theory did exist. Up until that date, the only theory about "Atlantis in Gibraltar, between Iberia and Morocco" was <I><B>Georgeos Diaz's</B></I> statement. Also, as the bulletin where <I><B>Collina-Girard</B></I> published his "pseudo-theory" would only circulate in academic media, it hadn't reached outside if it wasn't for the big divulgation campaign at the end of September, 2001, using all international mass media.</div> <bR> <div> Why did they do so? </div> <bR> <div> How many relevant and even more original reports are submitted every year to Science Academy, no announced at any international mass media?</div> <bR> <div> Why even, being Atlantis a "taboo" topic, with a really bad image for scientific society, all institutions and media regarding them hastened to support this "pseudo-theory" divulgation campaign, <I><B>Collina-Girard's </B></I>(the Georgeos's theory) "Atlantis in Gibraltar, between Iberia and Africa"?</div> <bR> <div> The French scientist (<I><B>Jacques Collina-Girard</B></I> and his team) did know perfectly <I><B>Georgeos Diaz's</B></I> investigations, and, convinced of his higher scientific possiblities, they planned to steal <I><B>Georgeos Diaz's</B></I> theory as soon as they realized he was not part of any University, with neither possible credibility nor institutional support with him. Looks like, as we have seen, these French "scientists" did think it is the "oficial science", not again "amateurs", the ones to represent and take the glory for (maybe, who knows) the scientific discovery of Atlantis. This is not the first time in History, "so-called" academic "scientist"had tried the same, not only against Spanish investigators.</div> <bR> <div> In any case, we need your most sincere opinion and votes, after reading this article and analyzing the comparative table between both theories:</div> <DIV ALIGN="LEFT"></DIV> <div> <I><B><!-- Start Gem Build Your Own Web Gem --> <A HREF="http://civilizaciones.webcindario.com/atlantologia/library/tablacomparativa2.pdf" TARGET="_self" TITLE="Transcripción de los diálogos del Timaios y el Kritias sobre Atlantis en caracteres latinos"> <!-- End Gem Build Your Own Web Gem --> </B></I></div> <div> <I><B><IMG SRC="0dc34360.gif" border=0 width="52" height="54" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="8" VSPACE="1"></B></I></div> <div> <I><B><!-- Start Gem Build Your Own Web Gem --> </A> <!-- End Gem Build Your Own Web Gem --> </B></I></div> <bR> <div> <TABLE BORDER="0" CELLPADDING="2" CELLSPACING="1" WIDTH="455" BORDERCOLORLIGHT="#C0C0C0" BORDERCOLORDARK="#808080" FRAME="BOX" RULES="ALL" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0" > <tR> <tD VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT= 32 ><NOBR><div> <I><B>Click to the Pdf</B></I></div> <div> <I><B>Please... it has a little patience. Wait for one seconds.</B></I></div> </NOBR></tD> </tR> </TABLE></div> <bR> <bR> <div> Yours, María Fdez-Valmayor</div> <div> Secretary, "The Civilizations Origins Scientific Society"</div> <div> <A HREF="http://Atlantis.sitio.net" TARGET="_top" TITLE="http://Atlantis.sitio.net"><U>http://Atlantis.sitio.net</U></A></div> <div> <A HREF="mailto:origenesinfo@todito.com" TARGET="_top" TITLE="mailto:origenesinfo@todito.com"><U>origenesinfo@todito.com</U></A> </div> <div> Tel. (34) 91 408 82 84</div> <div> (34) 660 89 65 70</div> <bR> <bR> <div> Votes:</div> <bR> <div> Survey: Think that a great similarity between both theories exists?</div> <bR> <div> <A HREF="http://miarroba.com/encuestas/votar.php?id=73637" TARGET="_top" TITLE="http://miarroba.com/encuestas/votar.php?"><U>http://miarroba.com/encuestas/votar.php?id=73637</U></A></div> <bR> <div> Translate by Lc. César Guarde. 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